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Customer Reviews for CIA M85 PAP 30+1 .223 REM/5.56 NATO 10"


CIA M85 PAP 30+1 .223 REM/5.56 NATO  10 Buy Now

38 Reviews. 4.7 out of 5 Stars!
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Eric K on 10/17/2023
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

A super fun little gun to shoot in the desert. Reliable as expected. Great addition to the collection. The furniture was a bit plain so I refinished it with a mahogany stain and many layers of clear gloss and it looks amazing now.

Warren P on 02/21/2018
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

Great little gun. Lots of fun had with this. Definitely turns heads at the range.

Brad B on 08/12/2017
Rating:   4 of 5 Stars!

shoots great....awesome little gun....took the hardwood fur nature off and added aftermarket aluminum hand guards w/rails......mine is not the mod2 and comes w/a proprietary mag.....not like the newer mods that will take standard M4 mags..........huge bummer. mags, are at best, hard to find...... tapped the rear sight and put on a red dot.....another advantage over some competitors..... excellent firearm.....well worth the money......downgrading to 4* due to mag incompatibility/unavailability issues...

Michael W on 07/05/2017
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

One of the most fun guns I have in my collection. Eats anything you feed it. I love that it's chambered in 223 Rem because I can use the same ammo as my AR. As usual, Bud's was awesome! Have purchased many guns from Bud's and have yet to be disappointed.

Amir H on 10/03/2015
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

Excellent firearm! Bud Rocks!

Ronald S on 01/06/2015
Rating:   4 of 5 Stars!

Weapon is a five! It is in a plain cardboard box not even a Logo,No lock. Thank you

Wade P on 12/29/2014
Rating:   4 of 5 Stars!

Bought two. Had to steam out some dings, sand, and finish the forends as they were unfinished. Used tung oil for that. Needed a brass punch to move the lever for the lower handguard on both as the retaining cut is at an angle and slightly too far back, which was quickly resolved with a round file. One had some scratches on the finish due to the cleaning rod bouncing around during shipment. The rod itself was bent in three places and was trash. One needed the top cover straightened as it was torqued. Both top covers needed the front rivet for the hinge filed as they were hitting the bolt carrier. They are all flat on my original parts kit. Both front sight gas blocks are off a little to the right and I will straighten later as I have done for a friend so I knew this going in. Sights are adjusted on, but my OCD doesn't like that. Upon cutting the weld and removing the thread protector, I found that the protector was rusted badly, but only the finish was marred on the gas block. SBR paperwork is back. Now waiting on getting them engraved so I can put a folding stock on both after adding Hogue grips, G2 internals, and US krink brake for 922r compliance. Far cheaper than buying a kit and rolling your own even if you have all the tools like I do. The raised area around the firing pin hole on the bolt face will trash your brass. It is intended to prevent primers from backing out on commercial ammo. Oh, and the included mag is junk. Buy original mags from Bud's. They actually work.

Jim H on 12/29/2014
Rating:   4 of 5 Stars!

For the money, a fun firearm. The sights are awful, but you don't buy a piece like this for marksmanship anyway, right? Loud as hell, reasonably accurate. Plan on giving it a real good cleaning and oiling before you go to the range.

Gregory A on 11/15/2014
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

One of the best AKs ever made. Super well built, very accurate, zero recoil and the trigger is great. Everyone that's shot mine was super impressed. While a little heavy it has build quality not found in other AKs. The barrel and chamber are chromelined and 1/7 twist. I shot some 77gr OTM through the gun and had astounding accuracy. Running the gun quickly is simple, it's a point and click affair. The muzzle stays very steady and flat without the need for a compensator. Buds also has mags for $17,99. Speaking of which these maybe the strongest mags I've ever seen. Stronger than G3 steel mags, with a little care they will last a lifetime.

Klinton V on 11/05/2014
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

Bought this last December and love it. This gun fired any ammo I put through it with no problems at all. I used the cheap plastic magazine it came with and aftermarket steel magazines with no issues there either. I put an SB47 arm brace on it as well. This gun shoots very smooth.

Jeffrey C on 08/10/2014
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

This is the first time I have ordered from Bud's and everything went smooth. The M85 PAP came exactly as described. From the reviews that I read prior to purchase, the magazine should be thrown in the trash and everything on the pistol is tight, both true. A few days after I picked it up, I put about 50 rounds through it and the magazine misfed about 80% of the time. I ordered a couple 30 rd Tapco's and a Zastava steel 30 rd mag to replace the one I threw away.

Kent A on 07/17/2014
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

This has to be the most fun I have had shooting a gun! 90 rounds and not even a hint of a jam and half of those was rapid fire. I think this may have just become my favorite gun.

Michael D on 05/29/2014
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

I ordered the M85 back in Feb 2014 via the 90 day layaway option which is an easy and seamless way to purchase items on Buds Website. I could not pass this up as it was being advertised for $399.00 (cash price). I also went ahead and added the lifetime warranty option for $19.95 so when it was all said and done my final price was $435.64 (including credit/debit card payment charges). I finally had a chance to take it to the range during my lunch hour and it did not disappoint. It fires well and the only FTLs I had is with the magazine that came with it. I suggest just throwing that one in the trash. I purchased 3 additional Tapco magazines and they worked great! No FTEs or FTLs. It was very easy to adjust the iron sites and I had no problem being fairly constant in my groupings at 25 yards within a supported and non supported firing stance. Due to the fact that this little jewel only has a 10 inch barrel, I am impressed with its accuracy with just using the iron sights. I plan to purchase the quad rail that Midwest Industries has available for this model so that I can install a red dot and grip handle easily. I am sure that this will increase its accuracy for targets past the 25 yard mark. I will add an additional review once I make the modifications and let everyone know if the accuracy did improve. After all, this is not a long range weapon by any means but I like to see how far I can push the envelope with regard to accuracy. Either way, it is a lot of fun to shoot and a great addition to anyone’s bug out inventory or a good trunk gun. I also have the M92 and this model has significantly less recoil so if you do well with the 7.62x39 model you will do even better with this one. I do recommend purchasing a muzzle brake as this does significantly reduce the recoil and muzzle flash. It will also assist with assuring there is a sufficient amount of back pressure to successfully complete the loading cycle.

Keith J on 03/23/2014
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

I received my m85 within two days of shipping. It shoots smoothly and accurate. Fun to shoot! Buds delivered as usual.

Lee W on 01/27/2014
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

Great gun and great fun. Went to gun range, fired 200 rounds, no FTF or FTE. I would highly recommend. Bud's was fast and on-time with delivery to FFL. Thank you...

Curtis J on 01/25/2014
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

Very easy and fun to shoot, works great, my favorite gun to shoot that I own. Glad I bought it.

Mike L on 01/14/2014
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

I received my gun a few weeks ago. The gun was clean and in great condition but I cleaned it anyways as that's just the way I am and I heard others say you should clean them anyways so I do now. The gun fired smooth every time. I shot about a 100 rounds as I was short on time. Overall a great gun at a fantastic price!! Buds shipping was fast like usual. Buy this gun! You won't be disappointed.

Matthew F on 01/11/2014
Rating:   2 of 5 Stars!

The Zastava M85 PAP gets three stars from me. I cleaned her up (only a few spots of cosmoline, the rest was pretty clear) and she *seems* to be a smooth operator. I will find out next weekend if she functions properly.

William M on 01/04/2014
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

Waited extra time for usps to wake up and find where my package was,not bud's fault!When it showed up ,it was in great shape,little if any to clean ,but did !always check a new fire arm which many who complain don't do! great price,great mag,no problems as others have stated!the mag (plastic )is from my head to cut down weight!thank's for another great product!!

Luis C on 01/02/2014
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

After having received it three weeks ago I finally had time to get to the range ; I was extremely impressed by the M85 Pap!!! This firearm has easily surpassed all my expectations; it is reliable, well balanced, extremely accurate, well made, and chews up all the various ammo available (Steel or brass).It is also a lot of fun to shoot! This firearm could easily become my favorite; to be honest with you, I like it so much I am purchasing another one while they still available.

Robert G on 01/02/2014
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

I took delivery of my M85 two weeks ago and have put about 200 rounds through it without failure. This weapon is well built, solid, as accurate as it need be and has negligible recoil. The only modifications I have made is to add the standard muzzle brake device, stain the wood and painted the front sight post a bright red. I bought 6 of the metal magazines for an average price of $13.00 each. The M85 is a terrific firearm, even more so because of the low price, and one that can be easily enhanced with rails, optics, slings etc. Damn, I think I am going to go now to the adjacent fields and fire off a couple of magazines!

Jeremy T on 12/30/2013
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

I ordered this gun when it was on sale for $400 and what a bargain. I am so thankful for the friend of mine who told me about it. I only hope I don't regret not getting two of them! I took this out 3 days ago and shot for a couple of hours. It performed flawlessly. For the reviewer who said his didn't cycle using 223 TulAmmo, that is what I was shooting and had no issues, not even a single failure. Now, I was not using the magazine that came with it. I purchased two of the steel magazines and was using those. I wanted to state that here, so maybe give yours another try with that ammo. That way you don’t have to shoot up a bunch of brass if you don’t have to. We also shot another brand off steel (that I cannot remember) and it was fine as well. Shooting this was a blast, no pun intended. I only wish it didn’t get dark on us so fast. It was pretty darn accurate. When it wasn’t on target, it was probably more the user than the gun. My friend has the 7.62x39 version of this gun and we shot that as well. The recoil is less with the 5.56 version, a plus in order to get my fiancé to shoot it. All in all I am very impressed with this gun. It was awesome shooting it right before dark too, because it turned into a nice little flame thrower. I purchased the PAP Pistol Krinkov Style Muzzle Brake for it, now if only I can figure out how to install that. I think I may have to grind the weld off the factory one in order to remove it and install this new one.

Joshua M on 12/30/2013
Rating:   4 of 5 Stars!

I had heard a lot of mixed opinions on the 556/223 round in the AK platform, so for starters either it's all a myth or I got a good gun because this thing cycles flawlessly. It eats 556/223 without fail, of course I've only tried two brands of 556 and one brand of 223 [ American Eagle/Independence 556 and Herters 223 ] but regardless, it lives up to the AK standard I was looking for. It's basically a heavy chunk of metal/wood that slings bullets and will take a beating. Simple to take apart and clean, etc. This thing is completely modifiable--I've ordered a quad rail, Hogue grip, foregrip/flashlight combo and a green side-mount laser to aid with hip fire accuracy. Outside of it being so cheap I couldn't resist buying, I wanted some serious firepower I could leave in my car in case a situation would occur that my CCL 1911 wouldn't be enough. All said and done I've invested about $600 in this gun and it's every bit the monster my $1500 AR15s are with the exception of accuracy at long range(even then with practice I could probably manage to be combat accurate at 100 yards) There is ONE down-side to ordering this gun, it comes with a very cheap feeling plastic magazine that has one of the tightest springs I've ever came across. It still works fine. I don't use a loader, I use my hands and around the 25th round it was killing me to continue loading this magazine, still got all 30 in there but was a pain. However, Buds offers steel magazines for this weapon at $16 each, I bought two when I bought the gun and am buying two more(actually why I'm on the site, decided to go ahead and review the gun while I was at it) The steel mags are the same quality as any steel AR mag I've ever came across. I would possibly like to see Pmags for this weapon but that's another story. Anyways 4 stars for the magazine, great gun, great deal. I'd buy two if I had 4 arms. lol

Troy S on 12/29/2013
Rating:   4 of 5 Stars!

Arrived within a week. Has moderate recoil. I ordered the steel magazine but I actually like the polymer magazine that comes with it better. Cycles smoothly. Little chip in the woodwork. Very nice gun for $ and a lot of fun.

William M on 12/25/2013
Rating:   5 of 5 Stars!

Purchased this m85 pap 556 when it was on sale for 400$ shipped.. What a deal. Arrived in a cardboard box with a manual, cleaning rod, and 1 plastic magazine. All the parts have matching numbers and I believe all parts are new products. The wood furniture could use a coat of stain. The plastic mag is a pain to insert into the gun but the metal ones I ordered slide right in like butter. Shooting this gun is a blast, its loud and shoots out some big old fireball from the muzzle. Sights were spot on from what I could tell. If you think your going to buy 223 tulammo and fire away in this gun think again. I don't think it has enough power to cycle the bolt all the way back because I was getting A FTF every other round.. tried some 556 federal and not one problem. It has a decent amount of kick but nothing to be scared of. Front sight you can adjust elevation and windage. Rear sight has two different elevations settings. Has the classic ak safety on the right side that can slide up and hold the bolt open manually if you'd like. Grip is plastic but solid and rivets are right on receiver. Cleaning rod does not fit on this gun like the longer rifles. This has to be one of the easiest guns I own to clean. Press the button on the back of the dust cover and it swings up on the gun like and undersold stock and stays in place. Unhook the spring and slide the bolt back and you are done, its stripped. Very cool. When the 762 version goes back on sale I'll order another.

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