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Soon to be gun owner needs help

Postby Fortytozero on Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:59 am

Well I have a couple questions to the people who have carried and used guns for years. My name is Kevin and plan to by a pistol for home security and also take to the range for recreation. I have read many articles until my eyes bled. After searching for days on what kind of gun I would want and need, I found that I have no Idea what type of "entry level" gun I would want. I need some some feedback from you guys who have owned pistols. Could anyone let me know of a good gun I should look into that is affordable.

O.K; this last question is on the AR-15. I have checked around and many many prices on that rifle vary. Can I get some feedback on this rifle and would it be worth it to purchase? It looks like a good time at the range, but don't know if all that cash would be worth it.

Thanks for the feedback, Kevin
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Re: Soon to be gun owner needs help

Postby Scott on Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:01 pm

Entry level new owner my suggestion would be a .357 revolver four inch barrel.A revolver isn't as complicated as a semi-auto.With 357 you can target shoot with 38 specials.Buy some speedloaders for it.My g/f has a four inch barreled 38 and I got five speedloaders for it.It's fun to shoot with a mild recoil.

And find out if there are shooter classes near you or someone with experience to teach you.There's alot of good video's on the net too that are full of good skills.Clint Smith,Todd Jarrett and others give really good tips.
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Re: Soon to be gun owner needs help

Postby justme on Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:03 am

If you want a "pistol", I would look at Sigs or Glocks. A 4" 38/357 is a good all around gun, like the man said. For concealment (legally licensed, of course), I use a 638 S&W; it's a small 5 shot snub nose 38 Special, +P capable.It has a shrouded hammer, but still can be cocked for a precision shot. It only weighs 15 oz.
As for AR's, I don't know much, except they are involved to get cleaned. A Ruger Mini 14, now available with a 16" barrel, and FACTORY 20 round mags, is where I'd look.
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Re: Soon to be gun owner needs help

Postby Roadkill Bill on Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:32 pm

I agree with the other guys, that a .357 revolver is hard to beat, period. Not just for an "entry level" gun, but a forever gun.

I know automatics are cool, and that's what you see in all the movies and TV shows. They spit out a lot of lead fast, however, the "spray and pray" method is not the best way to learn how to shoot. I see young bucks at the range all the time with 9mm and .40 cal. autos emptying a magazine as fast as they can pull the trigger, and their targets look like bad shotgun patterns. Holes everywhere and very few in the black. They learned to shoot from, again, watching TV and movies.

Revolvers are not cool to the young generation. However, they are efficient and perfect to learn on. Comfortable grip because there is no magazine running through the middle. You can change the grip if you like and seriously alter the gun: the way it looks, feels and how it shoots. Rubber grips, wood grips: with and w/o finger groves, with and w/o checkering, etc., etc., etc. You can find the combination that is perfect for you and your hand. They don't jam and are not finicky about ammunition like autos. No magazines to mess with, everything you need is connected, and a part of, the gun.

With a .357 you have 4 or 5 major power loads you can shoot through the same gun: .38 Special, .38+P, mild .357 loads, regular self-defense loads, and hunting loads. There's nothing quite as versatile as the .357. The price of ammo varies as well, depending on what you are shooting. It's kinda fun at the range when everyone is shooting their 9s and 40s and you cut loose with a heavy, flame throwing, magnum load and watch them all jump! Revolver rounds are usually more powerful than sissy automatic loads. :mrgreen: (.41 mags, .44 mags, .45 Colt and then . . . there are the really big ones . . .)

Just kidding about the auto loads being "sissy." The alternative to the revolver is, of course, an automatic. Many of us old farts started off with autos, and then in our old age migrated back to revolvers. Some went from revolvers, to autos, then back to revolvers. Autos are a bit more problematic, but they work OK if you get a good quality gun. I bought a Ruger SR9 for a fun cheap gun to shoot, but I actually carry a .45 cal Glock 21 as my carry gun, and have for 14 years. Everyone has their favorites, but nothing has been tested as thoroughly as the Glock, because it was the first successful polymer frame, striker fired gun on the market. It's been tortured tested by more groups, including the FBI, and they issue the model 23 and 22 (.40 cal) today. They just simply work when other guns will not. Newer clones have not been around or tested as much, and may be just as good, however, the only auto I would ever buy for personal protection is a Glock. Sigs are fine guns, too, but way over priced these days.

So for a home protection/range gun I would suggest a Ruger GP100. I like S&W double action guns better, however, the Ruger will be cheaper and it is built like a tank. Your great-grand children will thank you for getting it.
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/ ... skan%C2%AE
It's solid, accurate, and will absorb a good deal of the recoil, especially when shooting heavy loads. With .357s you can hunt deer with it, or using .38s small game as well. (Check state regulations on barrel length for hunting.) .38+Ps are great for home/self protection, too. It will be easy to teach your wife or girl friend how to shoot with one, too. (Not complicated.)

Sorry I ran on for so long.

The AR-15. Good for one thing - killing people at close to medium range. It's allowed in some states for deer hunting, but is best suited for small fragile things like people and prairie dogs. Other than that, it's pretty darn useless for the high price you pay for one. Even the Ruger Mini-14s are pretty darn costly these days. You can get an excellent deer hunting rifle for a third of the cost of an AR.

If all you want to do is punch holes in paper, beer cans, golf balls, and other assorted targets, get a Ruger 10/22. It's cheap to shoot, and you might even want to get a .22 pistol (like a Ruger Mk. I, I or III, Browning Buck Mark, S&W 22A) for a FIRST pistol. At least a second, so you can afford to shoot more. It's not my #1 choice for home defense, but we started out with one first. Recoil is zero, and I can put 12 .22 rounds on target in less than 2 seconds. Once my wife got accustomed to shooting that, we got her a .357 and she's still packing it. But she learned on that .22. Just (another) thought.
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Re: Soon to be gun owner needs help

Postby tsonka on Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:17 pm

Roadkill just made an excellent post that I agree with 100% expecially his last part about the .22

If you are a new gun owner you do need to learn to shot, you need to shoot alot to get used to it and shooting alot will take the "Oh wow I own a gun" feeling away and once that oh wow feeling goes away your skill will build.


You can shoot 1000 rounds through a .22 in a day for $30. A .22 will shoot much different then your big bore pistol but it will get you used to pulling the trigger and having something go bang in your hand.
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Re: Soon to be gun owner needs help

Postby rjgnwdc on Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:59 pm

I tend to agree with most opinions here so far, but I think for your first handgun go auto and go big .45acp and for home defense you would do better with a 12ga tactical maybe a Mossburg 18.5 barrel. With the shotgun for HD you don't have to worry about miss shots going through walls and killing an innocent by-stander. But I agree with the .22 for learning how to hold, sight, and safely handle a weapon because they are so cheap to keep and a lot of fun to shoot. 8-)
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Re: Soon to be gun owner needs help

Postby rjgnwdc on Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:13 pm

Oops forgot about the AR15 get one of those too, they are basically a varmint gun or a long distance plicker (unless you go .308) then it gets pricey but the most popular .223 in relatively cheap to shoot and they are really fun to shoot. Nothing like popping the head off a squirrel of praire dog for fun at a hundred yards, but yeah get one, try Rock River or DPMS for reasonable prices.
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Re: Soon to be gun owner needs help

Postby Roadkill Bill on Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:46 am

rjgnwdc wrote:With the shotgun for HD you don't have to worry about miss shots going through walls and killing an innocent by-stander.


Sorry to disagree with you. Birdshot is useless for home/self defense. If what you are using will not penetrate wall board, it will not penetrate far enough to reach a vital organ. In the last Mossburg catalog they printed a test they did with birdshot that did not penetrate 2" of meat at 5 feet. Anything worth using, #4 buckshot being the smallest, (buckshot, not #4 shot) will go through a wall. Cops use 00 Buck for a reason.
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Re: Soon to be gun owner needs help

Postby RICH 45 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:55 am

+1!!!! Roadkill is 100% right. my Gamo pellet rifle has a better chance of dropping a bad guy than bird shot :D
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Re: Soon to be gun owner needs help

Postby rjgnwdc on Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:09 pm

Tell ya what you can shoot me at 10ft with your pellet gun and you take one from my 12ga see who's still standing. :mrgreen:
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