Does the tm1 m1 carbine have the horizontal hand gaurd or vertical grip?

Hi Jason, the TM1 does not come with the vertical foregrip, it has a walnut forend. TM models do not have vertical foregrip, 1927A models have them. https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/105340/auto+ord+1927a-1+dlx+18+.45+acp+ch , Stay safe & have a great day!

horizontal forearm Buds listing is incorrect correction email sent The Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 semi auto carbine is proudly made and produced in Worcester, MA. These faithful replicas are semi auto versions of the world's first and most famous military rifle. The Thompson M1 was used victoriously in many battles around the world. These replicas provide a level of realism and authenticity not found anywhere else, the receivers are milled from solid steel and are paired with genuine American Walnut furniture for a stunning combination. The M1 comes with a 30 round stick magazine. Specifications and Features: Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 Semi Auto Carbine TM1 .45 ACP 16.5" Smooth barrel Blade front sight Fixed battle rear sight Walnut fixed buttstock (non detachable) Walnut forend One 30 round stick magazine Overall length 38" Overall weight 11.5 lbs Blued metal finish Made in the USA, in Worcester, MA

It has a fixed buttstock, pistol grip, and vertical foregrip.

Maybe this is obvious or a dumb question. Why does this Thompson have such a long barrel? Are there restrictions for how short the barrel can be?

The barrel is only as long as it needs to be. Rifles have a minimum length of 16 inches before being considered a SBR that needs a tax stamp. Not sure if Thompson makes one without a buttstock and shorter barrel, that would be marketed as a pistol.

Logan, since this is a Pistol Caliber Carbine, it has to have a minimum of a 16 inch barrel to be classified as a Rifle/Carbine. Shorter than a 16 inch barrel would make it classified as a SBR (Short Barreled Rifle) and with a shoulder stock would need to be registered as an NFA Firearm and a $200 Tax Stamp paid.

The barrel is only as long as it needs to be. Rifles have a minimum length of 16 inches before being considered a SBR that needs a tax stamp. Not sure if Thompson makes one without a buttstock and shorter barrel, that would be marketed as a pistol.

This gun is CLASSIFIED as a rifle and must have a minimum barrel length of 16 inches to NOT be considered as a Short Barrel Rifle (SBR). SBR requires additional stamp and approval from ATF to own or purchase. I hope this helps.

the barrel lenght restrictions only apply because it has a stock if one were to remove the stock and replace it with a stabilizing brace ypu could have any lenght barrel on that you wanted, without having to go through the atf to classify it as an SBR, because o ce the stock is removed and the barrel is short it is no longer a rifle but a pistol. The only time you'd have to SBR It is if the it has a stock and a barrel shorter the 16" or in it has any type of vertical forgrip forward of the magazine. Longer barrels can also be beneficial in that they give you a longer site radius making it easier to shoot accurately, and the longer travel down a rifled barrel will increase muzzle velocity, resulting in higher ft/lb force on impact, and a straighter, closer groups, and lower recoil.

can I get this with a 10 round mag - legal for NJ?

Frederick, No. Not compliant with NJ's restrictions. Firearms can not be altered from how they come from factory to ship to the restricted state of NJ.--------------We will not ship firearms to a third party to be modified or changed in any way from manufactured specifications. The firearm you purchase must be compliant AS IS from the manufacturer before we will ship.

Frederick, some members have reported that if magazine capacity is the ONLY state restriction that some Buds personnel have offered to remove/replace magazines. I would contact Buds Customer Service to see whether or not they will at the Blue Chat now button at the bottom right corner 9am to 9pm Mon - Sat and 9am to 7pm Sunday.

We have been told that buds will ship with NO Magazine if that is the only reason that a gun is non- compliant you would need to Contact Buds customer service available 9AM to 9PM CST Monday through Friday use the blue chat now button and they will help you with the order . We are not buds employees we are volunteers that answer questions

Is this the model that was issued during Wll, and manufactured by same?

It is a Semi-auto replica of the WW II Full auto Thompson made by Auto ordnance and there is no military discount available on this gun

George, this is a replica of the WWII Thompson manufactured by the same Auto Ordnance Corp. The Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 semi auto carbine is proudly made and produced in Worcester, MA. These faithful replicas are semi auto versions of the world's first and most famous military rifle. The Thompson M1 was used victoriously in many battles around the world. These replicas provide a level of realism and authenticity not found anywhere else, the receivers are milled from solid steel and are paired with genuine American Walnut furniture for a stunning combination. The M1 comes with a 30 round stick magazine.

Hello, just wanted to know that this is the ALL STEEL rifle. The TM1 is the one I want, with the all-steel construction. I just wanted to confirm before I put it on Layaway.

The receivers are milled from solid steel.

These replicas provide a level of realism and authenticity not found anywhere else, the receivers are milled from solid steel and are paired with genuine American Walnut furniture for a stunning combination.

Is there anyone that has made a recent purchase of this rifle and can me a review, did it come in matt black or blued. 07/26/17

Hi William, no I have not personally, but there are plenty of unbiased recorded reviews on you tube (Example)(Others as well): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDhV5y6k1eM

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Thompson M1 Carbine .45 ACP Semi Auto Rifle - Blue/Black, 16.5" Barrel, 30 Rounds, Wood Stock

Name: Thompson M1 Carbine .45 ACP Semi Auto Rifle
Brand: Kahr Arms
SKU: 41632
Availability: InStock
Rating: 3.90 (19 reviews)

19 Reviews| 6 Questions & Answers

Model: TM1

Condition: Factory New

Bud's Item Number: 41632

UPC: 602686221009

MFG: Kahr Arms

Questions & Answers (6) Reviews 3.9 out of 5

Thompson M1 Carbine .45 ACP Semi Auto Rifle

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Our M1 Thompson model is a .45 caliber semi-automatic replica of the most famous American submachine gun of World War II. The Thompson M1 was used victoriously in battles throughout the world, ensuring its place for eternity as a legend among military firearms. We offer the same attention to craftsmanship today that made the original so highly regarded. The look and feel are authentic, right down to the side bolt action. The frame and receiver are milled from solid steel or aluminum, the wood is genuine American walnut, and the overall finish is a blued steel or black anodized aluminum. Built to modern engineering standards, the Thompson M1 is a reliable and highly accurate representation of its legendary WWII ancestors. Order one for your collection, and own a piece of American history!

Safety: Manual Safety Frame Finish: Matte Black Front Sight: Blade Rear Sight: Fixed Battle Weight: 11.5 lbs. Firearm Stock: Walnut Fixed Features: Will Not Accept Drum Magazines
Finish: Black Magazine Count: 1.000 Operating System: Blowback Operation Firing System: Internal Hammer Frame Material: Milled Steel Magazine Type: Double Stack Magazine Barrel Configuration: Single Barrel Description: Smooth Rifled Barrel: Yes

Product Information

Metal Finish

Blue/Black

Action

Semi-Auto

Caliber

45 ACP

Gauge

N/A

Barrel Length

16.5

Overall Length

38"

Capacity

Stock Material

Wood

Item Type

Rifle

Stock Color

Wood

Length of Pull

13.25"

Product Information

Metal Finish

Marine Cerakote metal

Action

Not Listed

Caliber

40 S&W

Gauge

400 Legend

Barrel Length

25.5

Overall Length

38.4"

Capacity

Stock Material

Aluminum Chassis

Item Type

Other

Stock Color

Camo/Fixed

Length of Pull

Product Information

Metal Finish

Action

Pump

Caliber

375 H&H Magnum

Gauge

6.8 Western

Barrel Length

16.6

Overall Length

42.5"/45.5"

Capacity

Stock Material

Item Type

Other

Stock Color

Synthetic Kuiu Camo

Length of Pull

Product Information

Metal Finish

Stainless/Silver

Action

Caliber

25/35

Gauge

Not Listed

Barrel Length

18.25

Overall Length

26.60"

Capacity

33+1

Stock Material

Wood

Item Type

Lower Receiver

Stock Color

Moss Green Composite

Length of Pull

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Thompson M1 Carbine .45 ACP Semi Auto Rifle

Model TM1	Condition Factory New
Bud's Item # 41632	UPC 602686221009
Manufacturer Kahr Arms

Safety: Manual Safety Frame Finish: Matte Black Front Sight: Blade Rear Sight: Fixed Battle Weight: 11.5 lbs. Firearm Stock: Walnut Fixed Features: Will Not Accept Drum Magazines
Finish: Black Magazine Count: 1.000 Operating System: Blowback Operation Firing System: Internal Hammer Frame Material: Milled Steel Magazine Type: Double Stack Magazine Barrel Configuration: Single Barrel Description: Smooth Rifled Barrel: Yes

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Nicholas A on 03/31/2024

Rating: 5 of 5 Stars!

Auto Ordnance Thompson. Always been on my list to buy. Buds had it significantly cheaper than other stores. This is NOT the lightweight one. It's all steel. The walnut is much darker than in my picture and in person matches with the dark wood in the stock photo. Since it's the TM1 model, it does not accept drum magazines. Overall very satisfied with the rifle. Shipping was fast. Initial plans were to swap the wood furniture for USGI but Im having a hard time parting with the quality of the wood that's on it. I will say it is VERY hard to charge the weapon at first. I left mine with the bolt locked back for a week and it seemed to help significantly.

Dave L on 07/16/2023

Rating: 1 of 5 Stars!

Shoots nice when it is able to. My friend and I took it out for the first time yesterday and I'm pretty disappointed in the constant failure to feed issues. Chambering a round is next to impossible, so I used a spent 5.56 case to provide more leverage and it helps. I am hoping the feeding issues can be remedied with a new magazine, but who wants to buy a new weapon and have constant problems? It takes the fun out of it.

Pete W on 05/31/2023

Rating: 5 of 5 Stars!

Bought this "Tommy Gun" when Bud's had it on sale. Did it on a whim, and always wanted one. Big fan of the TV show, Combat, when I was a kid. I was cruising thru old Combat reruns online, and just looked up one for fun. Bud's had one and the price was right. Didn't hesitate to hit the "Buy" button. Hope to get her cut down to a normal barrel size soon enough so she looks right. No problems buying this firearm from Bud's. Quick and easy sale, fast shipping to my FFL. Thanks Bud's for filling my dream gun wish list!!!

David W on 11/07/2020

Rating: 3 of 5 Stars!

Buds service is excellent. The Thompson is a beautiful gun .the fit and finish is great. I would say that the strength need to pull back the charging handle is ridiculous. I just ordered an extended one from Kahr. But, was now notified they are out. ( after i paid of course). I would not recommend this gun unless Kahr also sends an extended charging handle.

John F on 08/19/2019

Rating: 5 of 5 Stars!

Bought this as a novelty, but realized it has few applications for my purposes--hunting only. Sold it back later.

Christopher C on 04/27/2019

Rating: 1 of 5 Stars!

Perhaps the most unreliable long gun I have purchased in 20 years, and I own a lot of guns. So unreliable that the gun cannot make it through one 20 or 30 rd mag without multiple FTF. First round stripped from mag almost always hangs up on its way up the feed ramp and needs assistance “pushing” the bolt forward to go into battery. Sent back to the factory under warranty and came back with the exact same issues. I am using 230 gr ball ammo from reputable manufacturers, and factory mags too. Don't waste your money here. Kahr is appealing to a niche customer by dressing up an old classic with nice bluing and fancy wood for visual appeal, but my facsimile is completely inoperable, even as a range toy, which is its only real practical use. A complete waste of money.
Great service from Bud’s, however. Their preferred FFL shipping process makes the purchase easy.

Michael F on 01/26/2019

Rating: 5 of 5 Stars!

Received within about a week of order. Was very impressed with the quality of this weapon. Fit and finish was very good. Stripped gun down for a good cleaning, replaced the charging bolt to the extended one at that time. Took it to my range for test fire. The gun performs prerfectly. Very pleased with the look and feel of it. Wondering why I waited so long to buy one.

Ronald J. G on 11/21/2017

Rating: 5 of 5 Stars!

buds is great,had to change ffl transferee and was no problem with buds they were most helpful. The thompson m1 is nice shot 200 rds with no ftfs

Jeff N on 10/13/2017

Rating: 4 of 5 Stars!

Buds is great. Highly recommended. The Thompson is a very nice looking gun. When they say the springs are tight, they aren't kidding. The bolt is very tough to pull back. I am hoping when I get out and shoot it, the springs loosen up a bit. Not much else to say till I get it on the range.

Michael A on 09/02/2016

Rating: 1 of 5 Stars!

After only 100 Rds(and 20 or 30 misfeeds), rear sight came loose. The leading edge of the feed ramp is too high and sharp. It bites into the jacket and crushes the round, compressing the bullet completely back into the case. It misfeeds every 5 to 10 rounds causing the same crushed round. The recoil spring, or springs, are very stiff, making it even more difficult to clear a jam and making for a very sore finger! I have two 20 Rd mags and a 30 rd that I saved from owning a lightweight version several years ago. I had to fit those mags to the rifle, the 30 that came with it had also been ground(rather roughly) to fit the rifle from the factory. The factory 30 performed the worst. I've had the rear sight fixed and had the feed ramp lowered and polished at my own expense. The sight is solid now but the rifle still occasionally jams and fails to lock open on the last round(some of the time). I will probably lower and polish the feed ramp a bit more myself. This rifle has proven to be completely unreliable and not much fun to shoot. Bud's service was excellent and I have no issues them. This was a poor choice of purchase on my part.

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Questions & Answers

Q: Does the tm1 m1 carbine have the horizontal hand gaurd or vertical grip?
Answered

Asked 01/16/2024 05:17 by Jason W

A:

Hi Jason, the TM1 does not come with the vertical foregrip, it has a walnut forend.
TM models do not have vertical foregrip, 1927A models have them. https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/105340/auto+ord+1927a-1+dlx+18+.45+acp+ch ,
Stay safe & have a great day!
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Q: Maybe this is obvious or a dumb question. Why does this Thompson have such a long barrel? Are there restrictions for how short the barrel can be?
Answered

Asked 10/01/2020 19:23 by Logan R

A:

Logan, since this is a Pistol Caliber Carbine, it has to have a minimum of a 16 inch barrel to be classified as a Rifle/Carbine. Shorter than a 16 inch barrel would make it classified as a SBR (Short Barreled Rifle) and with a shoulder stock would need to be registered as an NFA Firearm and a $200 Tax Stamp paid.
See 3 more answers |
Q: can I get this with a 10 round mag - legal for NJ?
Answered

Asked 05/08/2020 03:31 by Frederick S

A:

Frederick, No. Not compliant with NJ's restrictions. Firearms can not be altered from how they come from factory to ship to the restricted state of NJ.--------------We will not ship firearms to a third party to be modified or changed in any way from
manufactured specifications. The firearm you purchase must be compliant AS IS from
the manufacturer before we will ship.
See 2 more answers |
Q: Is this the model that was issued during Wll, and manufactured by same?
Answered

Asked 11/05/2018 19:45 by George K

A:

It is a Semi-auto replica of the WW II Full auto Thompson made by Auto ordnance and there is no military discount available on this gun
See 1 more answer |
Q: Hello, just wanted to know that this is the ALL STEEL rifle. The TM1 is the one I want, with the all-steel construction. I just wanted to confirm before I put it on Layaway.
Answered

Asked 08/28/2017 16:50 by Richard F

A:

The receivers are milled from solid steel.
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Q: Is there anyone that has made a recent purchase of this rifle and can me a review, did it come in matt black or blued. 07/26/17
Answered

Asked 07/26/2017 13:57 by William H

A:

Hi William, no I have not personally, but there are plenty of unbiased recorded reviews on you tube (Example)(Others as well): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDhV5y6k1eM