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I am sorry I cant figure out which guns you are asking about if you will repost with the upc or model numbers of the 2 guns I will happily try to help

Robert, The ms and ma mean----------ms= manual safety. ma=Massachusetts compliant. So ms/ma means manual safety/Mass compliant.

Robert, ms+ manual safety. The Model that ends in MA for Mass. Compliance (verified by UPC as Buds clipped the MA off the listed Model Number). (massfirearmsshop.com/sauer-p365-manual-safety-preorder-p-4929.html)