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Wesley, first buds has it listed as the incorrect caliber, 141617 is actually 28 nosler not 6.5 prc. Other than caliber differences they are identical. I always recommend googling the upc, buds always lists it. For 141617 the upc is 011356577658. For this one the upc is 011356574190. Buds doesn't always have the best description so it's best to Google the upc. Hope this helps.